11/01/2006

Short Selling Does Not Work

The Trading Roundtable forum is one of the best forums to discuss quantitative and statistical systems for stocks and commodities. You will find very unique insights and some of the most knowledgeable system traders on that forum. If you systematically go through all posts on that forum , you should find at least a dozen very profitable ideas.

There is an interesting discussion on short strategies going on currently and here is one traders quantitative observation.

Assuming that a trend-follower has the ability to short stocks as well, survivorship bias would imply higher returns in live trading compared to back-test (probably higher risk-adjusted returns as well).


This is true. But, this is usually nullified (for most people) because they are backtesting on data that has not been adjusted for cash dividends (which overstates the profitability of short selling).

We spent a long time trying to come up with ways to short stocks profitably. We couldn't come up with anything that worked over long stretches of time (>10 years) nor could we come up with a fundamentally sound reason to expect to. Stocks are basically a perpetuity with unlimited upside and guaranteed containment on the downside. Approx 50% of stocks have historically ended their existence with a negative terminal wealth relative, but their potential declines have always been capped at -100%. The other 50% of stocks enjoyed potentially unlimited gains, many exceeding 500%. From a short sellers perspective the math simply doesn't yield a positive expectancy.

The best we could ever come up with was -4% compounded annual return, which is better than -12% one gets from simply shorting the indexes. Still it's hard to get excited about losing less money than something else.

4 comments:

walter said...

i know that people short indexes - i dont... at any rate, your headline should read "short selling indexes does not work" and not "short selling does not work"

obviously, depending on smart stock selection, shorting can work, just like going long some stocks during a bear market, dont you agree?

walter said...

Pradeep, what is the link to the study? i followed the links in the post but they take me to a comments section of some blog post...

thanks...

walter said...

in your estimation, what is a respectable annual return (% gain) for a stock trader in a given year?

just curious...

Pradeep Bonde said...

Triumph of the Optimists: 101 Years of Global Investment Returns
Dimson, Elroy, Paul Marsh, and Mike Staunton, is the most comprehensive study on stock returns.

Respectable return is function of your trading size, anyone doint more than double the long term index return rates consistantly has edge in my book. Anyone doing 4 or more times index returns has significant edge.
If you study all those who have very high returns ( those with verifiable public domain records) all use an earning momentum plus price momentum kind of long strategies.