12/19/2006

Trading conveyor belt


Walter:
this is a market time when i think charting is very helpful - for timing short sales, for setting stops, etc.

for a top we would be looking for lower lows and lower highs, high vol days where the stocks goes nowhere or goes down, or stocks go up on very low volume


Walter has left this comment on one of the posts. Now you know my views on charting and technical analysis. Charting on a right set of stocks as against any stock magnifies return.

Conceptually you must think in terms of a trading conveyor belt. You must set up a conveyor belt for long/ short ideas. So that long/short ideas come on that conveyor belt, you inspect and take them or reject them. Charting, technical analysis is involved in the last stage on this conveyor belt.

Considerable thought process should go in to setting up your conveyor belt. The logic for it should be solid, so that it brings only the best ideas and only those with high probability to you.

Many of you are aware of this conveyor belt concept, I talked about in the now defunct group. I have around 5-6 long conveyor belts. Each one has a logic. Now on a daily basis they bring ideas to table. The speed varies depending on market or depending on nature of strategy. By using 5-6 conveyor belt, you get strategy diversification, plus you never run out of ideas. Some of these belts are based on momentum, some on earnings, some on value, some on market anomalies.

For example I have a conveyor belt based on long term (multi year range break), now by the very nature of the strategy it gives you signals very rarely. But those signals are highly profitable and significant in giving you a signal about possible style shift. Now in August/ September it started showing lot of large caps, because the market circumstances changed. The speed of ideas on it changed. Which to me signaled underlying change in market dynamics.

Similarly on short side I have 3 conveyor belts based on sound logic. One of them is based on extreme price growth in 2 year time. Why because studies show mean reversion on past market leaders. Now it starts looking at candidate only on certain events like range expansion, or volume expansion or failure or runaway move. So when this happens, those stocks show up on the conveyor belt. Applying technical analysis or pattern recognition on those will give you high returns, why because the underlying logic behind stock selection is the most critical element in making those shorts work.So conceptually you must think of technical analysis as solving only the last mile problem. So a double top/ key reversal or candle pattern on a stock on this conveyor belt is relevant as against on any other 50 random stocks.

Once you set up such conveyor belts, opportunities keep popping up. You never run out of opportunities. You utilise your time effectively and can focus on only the best opportunities in market. More than that, you can use extremely tight stops and time stops, as you know, if this idea does not work, I have something else coming up on conveyor belts.

11 comments:

Unknown said...

nice rounded top on BSC...

Pradeep Bonde said...

Looks like market might bounce up from this level. So shorts at this stage has its own risk.

Unknown said...

agree - yesterday and this morning longer term red flags - have to wait and see the quality, duration, extent, scope of the bounce or whatever happens

Unknown said...

financials (LEH, BSC, GS, etc) finally showing some real weakness

Pradeep Bonde said...

Interesting market. No follow through on long side, no follow through on short side.

Unknown said...

top or consolidation - take your pick... not sure what market internals are saying... not sure whats on the economic data calendar

Unknown said...

DOW trans looks horrible

Unknown said...

I feel sorry for the bears. They probably missed easy money in SYNM and ESCL. ESCL going again now.

Unknown said...

This market continues to a shy away from increasing bearish breadth when the spotlight is on them. I have yet to see a correction start this way. JMO.

Though the inflationary PPI did increase the volume going into declining stocks, the number of decliners decreased compared to yesterday and will probably continue to decrease over the next few days. This should limit the amount of downside the market has left in it even if the oil inventories spur more inflation fears.

Today I have been buying the dips at support of overextended stocks like PSSI.

Unknown said...

Pradeep, i was going thru your list of short candidates, and many of them have bounced pretty well today - which is not surprising... they may be followed and shorted once their retrace/bounce ends (provided it ends)... otherwise, the real trick is to scan for stocks that are "actively" distributing... what does that look like in the form of a scan? i am not sure... i have a limited idea of what that looks like on a chart... but charts in themselves arent conveyor belts - reading and following this blog for last couple months have helped me realize that - conveyor belt is a nice metaphor!

Pradeep Bonde said...

Walter
The big part of the puzzle on short side is unless there is a clear catalyst like earning miss or sector move like in homebuilders,the stock just hangs in at or near top of the range, sometimes for months, or years doing nothing. That is why one gets so few signals on short side, if one is looking for a long term short play.
The obvious ones are so heavily shorted or so low in float that you may not get to short them (that never is a problem on long side)
So I mantain a list of stock which made 100% plus move in a year, are above 40 and have float above 100 million and then months after they topped out, sometime they start a down move. That is the ideal time to short as it is lowest risk play then.
There are other things which work like a IPO breaking below its range within first 1 or 2 years. This is the best short in my testing. But obviously again you must find one with sufficient liquidity. Plus such signals are rare.

Scans is just one part of the conveyor belt.