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Q&A with Pradeep Bonde

Posted on 6/27/2011
Kirkreport published an interview with me on 17th June 2011. Here is the transcript of same:

I am pleased to present this in-depth Q&A with Pradeep Bonde, a fellow trader who shares his insight with thousands at StockBee.

Pradeep has earned the respect and admiration of many traders with his no nonsense style, past performance as well as dedication to helping other traders achieve more success in the markets. We both hope you find this interview helpful in your journey!

Q&A with Pradeep Bonde

Kirk: Welcome back Pradeep! It is difficult to believe that it has been well over a year since our last interview. Thanks for being here to share some fresh perspectives with us!

Pradeep: Thank you for having me!

Kirk: Let's begin by first talking about what you are seeing in the market. Please provide us an overview of key things on your radar that you are monitoring closely.

Pradeep: We are in a third year of a big bull move. The move started in March 2009 and has seen 2 big moves.

The first leg was a 70% move from March 2009 to around middle of January 2010. That was followed by a correction and flash crash. Market put in a bottom post flash crash around last week of August 2010 and then the 2nd up leg started.

The second up leg was 28% gain and market started correcting in mid February 2011. From February 2011 onwards we are in a range. In recent weeks the range low is being approached.

Last 4 months have seen sharp bounces and sharp corrections. But that is not a surprise. After a big 2 year move a period like this is not an anomaly. After 28% plus gains without correction a correction like this is welcome.

Kirk: What is your "Market Monitor" currently suggesting? And, as a result would you say you are bullish, bearish, neutral or just opportunistic?

Pradeep: The Market Monitor is currently in bearish mode. From around December of 2010 we have seen rallies on progressively lower breadth.

As of now we have not reached extreme bearish readings on Market Monitor. Extreme bearish readings on MM are bullish. As a result at this stage I am in bearish camp and waiting for a bullish breadth thrust to get back in the market.

Kirk: What is your opinion regarding the sector rotation into so-called safety stocks or defensive sectors?

Pradeep: After a 28% rally from September 2010 to February 2011 most leading stocks were extended. Many of them were rallying for last 2 years or so. Many were in 3rd or 4th stage of their rally. A correction was a high probability event due to that and during such correction a flight to defensive stocks is not something that worries me.

The overall economy has also hit a bit of soft patch and a wall of worry is building. That is also leading to sentiments becoming bearish. That sets us up for a second half rally.

Kirk: Many traders have shifted to trading both commodities and currencies. What's your personal take on this?

Pradeep: I have always said that if I had to start trading all over again I would not trade stocks but would trade currencies or commodities. Having spent 12 years plus researching stock trading methods and perfecting them and having very good success, it is now difficult to walk away from it all and start all over.

Commodities and currencies have obvious advantage of leverage. Besides that you are dealing with a small number of markets. Commodities and currencies also perform very well on momentum based methods.

I would advise anyone just starting out to explore the two before committing to stocks. Personally I have set aside a small account to trade commodities and currencies and slowly working on developing and perfecting methods for them.

But stocks remain my focus and that is where I have very high confidence and proven methods.

Kirk: Do you utilize option strategies?

Pradeep: No. In the initial years I spent a lot of time on option strategies but abandoned those efforts to focus on growth and momentum investing.

Kirk: What's the primary focus of your trading now? Also, do you trade ETFs?

Pradeep: My primary focus is growth and momentum stocks. Within that I focus on breakouts. My swing trading effort focuses on finding swings of a few days to weeks. I am primarily a reactive swing trader. I wait for market or stock to confirm a momentum phase and after that look for buying a breakout once the stock has had a 10 to 20 days correction or sideways move.

Under a right kind of circumstances growth and momentum stocks offer very good risk reward for buying breakouts. The trick is to wait for those periods or setups. We had a big debate on buying breakout sometime back on a member's site. Many are very uncomfortable buying breakouts. They like pullbacks. One of the members made a very good observation - a good stock should never offer you a pullback opportunity.

I am not dogmatic about buying breakout. I know people who only buy pullbacks. There are many things that work in the markets, you have to find what works for you.

I do not trade ETFs and my logic regarding this is clear - stocks make bigger moves than ETFs. The biggest 100 or 300 movers in market in any given period will be individual stocks. Yes there are complexities involved in trading stocks and you are exposed to news risk in stocks, but the big opportunity in the market is in stocks.

But I have nothing against those who trade ETFs. They are good vehicle for many kinds of investors and short term traders.

Kirk: What kinds of trades and setups are finding most profitable in this environment?

Pradeep: This market has not been very favorable to trading breakouts currently. This is more a pullback or exhaustion setup kind of market.

Pullbacks to support and MA have worked in this market recently. Exhaustion setups are best setups in this market currently.

Personally I have been in cash for some time as I do not see the kind of setups I look for.

I trade primarily two kinds of setups. A breakout on high momentum stock and the second setup I trade is Episodic Pivots. Episodic Pivots is a news or catalyst based setup.

When a company announces surprisingly good or bad news the market reacts to it. Because markets are not efficient the move does not end in a day. The stock continues to go up or down for weeks or months post such big news. Earnings is obviously one such catalyst. But many other catalyst can lead to similar moves. Episodic Pivots offers you an entry in to move right at beginning of such move.

Kirk: If you will, please take us through one of the more recent and interesting trades from beginning to end.

Pradeep: Weight Watchers showed up on my Stockbee Trend Intensity Breakout scan on March 30th 2011. It was making a new high on good volume. Prior to breakout stock had a 4 day consolidation. Recent earnings on the stock were a big surprise. The stock had satisfied my minimum momentum criteria.

I entered the trade at the price of 66.44. In next 4 days it went up by around 1%. I sold half my position around 74. 26 and moved stop on rest to 73.75 to lock in profit and got stopped out.

The chart below shows the trade:

Kirk: Care to share another one? Perhaps a trade that didn't work the way you planned.

Pradeep: TTWO is an example of failed trade. It shows the importance of trading in the right market environment. Under different market conditions the trade might have worked.

I exited the trade before it hit stop as overall market started showing weakness.

Breakouts fail during certain market phases. Even the best looking breakout with catalyst does not work in bearish phases.

Kirk: How have you been adjusting to the program influences many of us see in the market?

Pradeep: I am not really bothered by programs. I do not trade on intraday time frame. For the momentum stocks I select the program trading does not really affect them. If a stock has extra ordinary momentum in my experience other things don't matter. I am constantly looking for stocks that have above average momentum. These stocks during that phase have significant demand supply imbalance and so they go up or down. Programs don't really affect such stocks much.

In fact programs have magnified momentum moves and momentum moves tend to overshoot in this market as programs that target momentum stocks pile on. A stock that would make 6% move in few days now makes 10% plus move in same time period.

Kirk: That's an interesting observation and confirms something I'm seeing as well. What chart time frames do you view in your technical analysis?

Pradeep: I have not looked at an intraday chart in last 5 years or so. Everything I do is based on daily or weekly charts.

The most important thing I look for any stocks chart is relative linearity. I always look for stocks that are trending smoothly. I pass on volatile stocks that jump all over the place. Stocks with relative linearity have active buyers support and have higher likelihood of continuing their smooth moves. Any stocks that makes 100 % plus move in six month or less will show you that kind of linearity. These kinds of stocks have very orderly corrections and trade very logically. Buyers are continuously supporting such stocks and this constant demand results in a very smooth uptrend with shallow pullbacks.

VRUS is a good example of stock with very high relative linearity currently. It is up 158% in last six months.

Stocks like VRUS are the kind of stocks ideal for swing trading. They allow you to put logical and close stops and make smooth moves.

One of the easiest ways to find stocks with relative linearity is by eyeballing top 300 or so stocks by 6 month or 3 month momentum. There is also a mathematical way to find stocks with relative linearity.

One of the ways to find relative linearity is by using Kaufman's Efficiency Ratio or Fractal Efficiency ratio. The Fractal Efficiency Ratio is described in detail in New Trading Systems and Methods by Perry Kaufman.

Fractal Efficiency ratio is derived by dividing the net change in price movement over n periods by the sum of all component moves, taken as positive numbers, over the same n periods. If the ratio approaches the value 1, then the movement is smooth, if the ratio approaches 0, then there is great inefficiency or chaos. So fractal efficiency basically is a measure of relative market speed to volatility, and can be used as a trading filter to avoid choppy or flat stocks.

To understand this better let's look at a stock price move for 60 days. Stock A makes 60 point move in 60 days. Each day the stock moves up exactly by 1 dollar. This would give an efficiency ratio of 1. Now say for stock B, it also moved 60 points in 60 days, but with higher volatility, some days up 3 points, some days down 2 points. The efficiency ratio would be lower as the denominator in the ratio will be large.

Now if you want to calculate the efficiency ratio in Telechart, you can try this modified scan for 60 days.

60 Day Efficiency Ratio

(C - C60) / (ABS(C - C1) + ABS(C1 - C2) + ABS(C2 - C3) + ABS(C3 - C4) + ABS(C4 - C5) + ABS(C5 - C6) + ABS(C6 - C7) + ABS(C7 - C8) + ABS(C8 - C9) + ABS(C9 - C10) + ABS(C10 - C11) + ABS(C11 - C12) + ABS(C12 - C13) + ABS(C13 - C14) + ABS(C14 - C15) + ABS(C15 - C16) + ABS(C16 - C17) + ABS(C17 - C18) + ABS(C18 - C19) + ABS(C19 - C20) + ABS(C20 - C21) + ABS(C21 - C22) + ABS(C22 - C23) + ABS(C23 - C24) + ABS(C24 - C25) + ABS(C25 - C26) + ABS(C26 - C27) + ABS(C27 - C28) + ABS(C28 - C29) + ABS(C29 - C30) + ABS(C30 - C31) + ABS(C31 - C32) + ABS(C32 - C33) + ABS(C33 - C34) + ABS(C34 - C35) + ABS(C35 - C36) + ABS(C36 - C37) + ABS(C37 - C38) + ABS(C38 - C39) + ABS(C39 - C40) + ABS(C40 - C41) + ABS(C41 - C42) + ABS(C42 - C43) + ABS(C43 - C44) + ABS(C44 - C45) + ABS(C45 - C46) + ABS(C46 - C47) + ABS(C47 - C48) + ABS(C48 - C49) + ABS(C49 - C50) + ABS(C50 - C51) + ABS(C51 - C52) + ABS(C52 - C53) + ABS(C53 - C54) + ABS(C54 - C55) + ABS(C55 - C56) + ABS(C56 - C57) + ABS(C57 - C58) + ABS(C58 - C59) + ABS(C59 - C60) + 0.001)

Stocks do not have a perfect efficiency reading of 1. Even a small anti trend move lowers the efficiency reading. The above formula scan will give you values between 1 to -1. If you sort by this scan, the higher ratio stocks will have smoother trends lower readings will show very volatile stocks. If market is going sideways you need to look at its Fractal Efficiency Ratio during its uptrend before correction.

My general observation is that smoother trends continue to be smooth and volatile trends continue to be volatile. Relative linearity is my most important criteria for eliminating stocks. If a stock does not have relative linearity, I do not even look at rest of the criteria and will not buy a breakout on it.

Kirk: That's very helpful Pradeep. It's interesting to me also that I find that new traders tend to seek out positions with a great deal of volatility while more experienced traders often do the exact opposite. You would think the exact opposite would occur.

As we begin the summer trading season, do you make any adjustments to your approach?

Pradeep: The summer season tends to be slow but if I find a stock with good linearity and momentum I will still be a buyer. But volume and liquidity are sometime problem so I risk smaller amounts in that case. I am fully engaged during the summer month as this market can turn to bullish side anytime and I want to be in on any big bull move.

Kirk: How do you determine an exit on both a profitable and unprofitable position?

Pradeep: By trial and error and past analysis of my trades I have found that the best exit is into strength. You should always sell a momentum stock into strength and not wait for it to hit stop. I operate on profit targets.

I am typically looking at 8 to 20% profit target on my swing trades and 40 to 50% target on my Episodic Pivots trade. I sell when stock reaches my profit objective. I sell in parts so most of the time I peel off positions in units of 1/4th.

One of the exit rules which have worked very well for me is to exit a position into 10% plus move after entry. Let us say I buy a stock today as swing trade and next day it goes up 10% I would exit it or exit at least 50 to 75% of my position into that unexpected bonanza. I have found most of the time such large moves fade.

I also exit my trades after 3 days if it does not move in intended direction after.

Kirk: At your site you offer two interesting tools: a trade size tool and a risk reward calculator. Can you share the basic principles behind both?

Pradeep: The trade size tool is a simple tool to calculate how many shares you should buy for 1% risk. This will enable you to properly manage your risk in every trade.

Let us say you want to buy a stock trading at 122 and your stop is 118 and you want to risk 1% of your 100000 portfolio on it. If you input these values in the calculator it will tell you, you can buy 250 shares and 30.5% of your account will be invested in that one position.
Trade Size Tool
There is also a Google Spreadsheet based calculator that one of the member, Skytrader has developed. It is extremely helpful and your members can access it for free.

The Risk Reward calculator is another good tool to find out potential risk reward of a trade. It requires you to input your Entry, stop and target price and it gives you R:R. It can be accessed free by your members here.

Besides that there are many other tools developed by members. One of the best one is a tool developed by a member for analyzing trade called Trade Logger. If you want to monitor your trading performance and figure out how to improve the performance the tool would just blow your mind.

Kirk: I think many will find these tools helpful Pradeep. Thank you.

In our last interview you emphasized that "methods trump markets." In other words, control the things under your control and let the market do what it is going to do. Over the past year since our last interview, has your strategy changed and/or improved in any specific way?

Pradeep: Yes since our last interview I have further refined and simplified my momentum based approach. Primarily I have reduced the period used for calculating momentum from 130 days to 65 days. Markets are faster and a shorter momentum period can help you find new trends faster.

I have also modified my 401K investing approach. The new Telechart version has mutual funds data. That is something which was not easily available before. Earlier I used to track my mutual funds using Google Finance. Now I have setup a complete entry and exit strategy using Telechart data.

Kirk: What do you think are your primary strengths and weaknesses as a trader?

Pradeep: My primary strength is skills in momentum and growth investing and market timing. I have the discipline to sit out bad periods for my style of investing.

Besides that my strength is ability to teach others how to trade and develop their own method.

I have many weaknesses. One of the key one is very few methods. Not having methods for non-trending periods and intraday trading. I do not have the patience to day trade.

Kirk: How have you learned to mitigate your weaknesses and focus on your strengths?

Pradeep: I am comfortable with my current style and strength. I stay with my methods and do not change timeframe constantly.

I am working on number of new short term strategies and pullback methods. Besides that my key focus currently is to grow my commodity and currency trading skills.

Kirk: Among your subscribers, what common mistakes do you typically see that we all need to learn to avoid?

Pradeep: The common mistakes most traders make in beginning stages are primarily driven by lack of market understanding and lack of self-efficacy. Traders are not clear about their time frame. They don't want to commit to a timeframe. They want to be day traders, swing traders, position traders and macro traders.

Even if they commit to a timeframe then they do not stick with one setup idea. They trade too many and ill-defined setups.

The other problem is many are influenced by financial media and do not do independent thinking.

Kirk: Well said and I see the same issues.

Are you still using IBD, Telechart, and Finviz as your primary tools?

Pradeep: Yes I continue to use those tools. Besides that as I pointed out earlier there are many tools developed by members which I use. One of the best tools is the one developed by Dan of Patient Fisherman. Bluefin is a tool developed by Dan in collaboration with me. It is primarily built for working people who cannot get access to scanning tools and do not have too much time for day to day trading analysis.

I have also been using the Google Finance data importing capability in Google Spreadsheet . It allows you to develop simple tools for position sizing and risk management.

Kirk: In our last interview you provided a nifty breakout screen. Care to share another scan you have found helpful?

Pradeep: Sure. This scan is for 401K mutual fund investors. Most 401Ks offer a choice of 15 to 25 mutual funds to select from. The scan below will find you mutual funds that are starting their uptrend and it will allow you to exit at right time.


AVGC4/AVGC42 > 1.01 AND AVGC4.1/AVGC42.1 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.2/AVGC42.2 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.3/AVGC42.3 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.4/AVGC42.4 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.5/AVGC42.5 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.6/AVGC42.6 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.7/AVGC42.7 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.8/AVGC42.8 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.9/AVGC42.9 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.10/AVGC42.10 < 1.01


AVGC4/AVGC42 < 1.01 AND AVGC4.1/AVGC42.1 > 1.01

To see how this works see the chart below of actual trade:

If you marry the scan with overall market timing it will allow you to capture big moves in your mutual funds.

Kirk: What advice would you give to others who are just starting to learn about the markets and trading?

Pradeep: The top 100 most important things to do if you are a beginner trader is not to lose your trading stake during learning phase. If you can learn without losing your capital then you will have several years of profit opportunities ahead of you. First priority should be to stay in the game.

The second important thing is to decide your timeframe. You cannot be a day trader and also swing trader and also position trader and also global macro trader.

Hunt for setups. All profitable traders focus on few trading setups. They specialize in those setups.

Go into depth in everything. For example, don't use stochastics or MACD if you don't know what it is and how it is calculated.

Focus on what has worked in last 100 years. Trading setups and methods have been more or less same for 100 years. 100 year ago people were still trading momentum, or growth or value. 100 years ago there were day traders, swing traders and position traders. For 100 years or more people have made money by buying breakouts, pullbacks or exhaustions. Master the basic setups.

Kirk: What suggestions and recommendations do you have for traders who trade on their own to incorporate some group and collaborative support?

Pradeep: For many years I was trading alone, I had no contact with other traders. Five years ago I started blogging and since then a community of similar minded traders has developed. Now I know over 2000 traders. I know people who trade different timeframe, different methods and different account sizes.

I highly recommend traders to develop a support group. It can help you expand your trading horizon. It helps you enhance your skills and helps you stay focused.

Kirk: Do you plan to take any time off from the markets this summer? Do you think traders need to take time to step back and take a break?

Pradeep: This summer I do not have plan for a break as I am not hitting my yearly goals currently. But vacations and holidays from trading are very helpful.

My best thinking and new method development happens on such vacations. But one must time holidays with market phases. Unfortunately last year my vacations coincided with major market move starts. If you miss out on those beginning moves it can ruin your year.

Kirk: When not trading, what do you do with your free time? What are some of your personal passions beyond the markets?

Pradeep: There is never a dull moment in life. I have many interests and hobbies and I constantly try new things.

This year I have been learning dancing. We are a group of dads from my daughters dancing school who have been training and performing together. Couple of months ago we performed a dance based on Greased Lightning at a vintage car show. We are also performing another dance next week in an annual dance function.

In few weeks I am going to participate in a 3 month fitness bootcamp. Besides that running, walking, cycling, and cooking are some of my other interests.

Kirk: Well, thank you Pradeep for another informative and helpful interview. As always, we all wish you the best and many profitable trades in the weeks and months ahead!

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rmike said...

Hi Pradeep,

Would appreciate your guidance on how would one define the code


in amibroker.


Pradeep Bonde said...


Avgc4.1= average 4 day price a day ago

AVGC42.1= average 42 day price a day ago.

rmike said...

Thanks Pradeep,

Much appreciated. Posting the snippet as code for your blog followers who use ami TA.

ref(ma(c, 4), -1)/ ref(ma(c, 42), -1) > ......


DDR said...

Do you use linearity as a criteria while trading based on episodic pivots?

DDR said...

Do you use 'linearity ' of trends as a criteria while trading based on episodic pivots?

Pradeep Bonde said...


SusanTrades said...

Is Trade logger still around?

Pradeep Bonde said...


Keith said...

Will these learnings be applicable to Indian NSE market also?

Pradeep Bonde said...